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Do you know the “Ibuk T’ongsin” listed as the source in the doc? Is that a name of the “monthly periodical” or the name of the author who wrote the article for that monthly periodical? Meh, the so-called “fake Kim Il Sung theory” isn’t a new info found in , it was a raging conspiracy theory all the way back from s.

From what I’ve heard, the theory is largely discredited now. Of course that doesn’t mean North Korea’s breathless account of Kim’s heroic adventures is anywhere near believable, but that’s a separate issue. This document was declassified in ; it was published in I’ve seen similar documents about Tito.

In the end it doesn’t change anything, you deal with the de-facto ruler of a country, not with his ancestors. Are there any reliable modern historians that have written about this?

Especially the bit that says he was a serial killer in his early years. Because it was written by Kim himself, it’s a lot less hagiographic than what you might expect he didn’t have to worry about censorship. Plenty of embellishments sure, but also shows a very human picture of the man.

To give a bit more historical background on the conspiracy theory: Kim’s anti-Japanese actions in the ss had received some coverage in the Korean press – despite Japanese censorship. He went into hiding in the USSR in the early 40s and was sent back to Pyongyang by the Soviets a couple months after the August liberation of the peninsula.

Dissatisfied with their first choice for a North Korean leader a man named Cho Man-Sik , the Soviets intended to replace him with Kim a convinced Stalinist after some PR efforts to bolster his public image.

At Kim Il Sung’s first public appearance at a rally in Pyongyang in late , people were shocked by his young age there are several testimonies from people present at the event attesting to this. This was exploited by the anti-communist South to discredit him, claiming that someone that young could never have done the resistance deeds that people had heard about during the colonial period.

As Suh’s book shows, however, there is a good amount of evidence to support the fact that he was indeed a leader in the resistance against Japanese colonization albeit not the only one with several feat of arms albeit not nearly as many as later claimed.

The post you’re commenting on is a PDF file hosted on cia. Or are you assuming that all readers of HN 1 are American citizens, and 2 that American citizens shouldn’t care about possible threats from the CIA? Yeah, hosting malware is NSA’s job. Maybe just a few specific MAC adresses? Are you creating a false equivalency between North Korea and American?

If so, Noam Chomksy in the house! JadeNB 16 days ago root parent next [—]. I think analogies can be taken too far, but “both North Korea and the US are probably interested in compromising the computers of their adversaries, and may intentionally or unintentionally infect others in the process” doesn’t seem too far-fetched to me.

It’s not the same as saying “North Korea and the US are functionally and ideologically the same. Respectfully, what do you imagine the attack vector would be? A zero day bug in the pdf parser or javascript engine of your browser. Such bugs are common enough that the North Korean military is believed to use them to gather intelligence and for theft, but also are rare enough that they’re going to use them on just anyone.

Did you miss a “not” in the last part of that? I thought North Koreans don’t know how to use computers? Remember the Kim Jong Un memes around that? I’m frankly getting tired of all the hysteria.

If that is indeed the attack vector just use a sandbox and a pdf viewer with low featureset. Is all we do nowadays mindless hysteria? EDIT: comical. Seems like in the hysteria about how terrible “our enemies” are, all sarcasm and absurdity is lost. MichaelCollins 16 days ago root parent prev next [—]. Saying the inverse of what you actually believe but with a tone that suggests insincerity isn’t comedic.

It’s just obnoxious. I can see why calling out the hypocrisies of the hysteria of people like you would seem obnoxious to you. The thread didn’t start with murucula, it started with people saying they should not open NK PDF’s because they’re dangerous.

The mindless hysteria could only have been trumped by people accusing one of China and Russia stoogedom in the comments below. I was merely referring to the memes that were so popular in HN circles just a few years ago about how Kim Jong Un was too stupid to use a computer[1]. I have no skin in the game, but if the HN crowd is not able to read a PDF with basic Opsec to protect itself from malicious Acrobat exploits, we don’t really deserve to be called hackers.

MichaelCollins 16 days ago root parent next [—]. Pay attention to usernames, rjzzleep. Anyway, muricula didn’t say North Koreans don’t know how to use computers, so there was no hypocrisy in his suggestion that North Koreans might have competent computer hackers. You’re raging at numerous strawmen at once. So many strawmans, so little time. Viewing the history of rjzzleep is fascinating.

He loves china and russia but can’t say a nice thing about a western country. He constantly points to a collapsing west. Im not convinced. The Chinese communist party celebrates itself for its resistance against the japanese all the time, when one reads the history though, it gets obvious that the brute of the fighting was done by the nationalists and the communists then only performed a cleanup operation, engaging in no major battles.

These rewritten heroic-historys are largely worthless. Korea hardly had any nationalist armed resistance by the s. Kim Il Sung participated in two attacks on the Japanese in the Korean Peninsula confirmed by modern historians at Hyesan and Pochonbo, the latter of which may have been led by someone else and other attacks in collaboration with the Chinese communists see book above for details.

For those wondering why Korean nationalists would have become collaborators: they thought colonozation by an Asian race was less likely to erase Korean culture than colonization from a white race as the nationalists believed a Japanese defeat in the pacific war would lead to Western colonization of East Asia.

The Communists didn’t fight major battles against the Japanese, they didn’t have the resources for that after the Nationalist purges and civil war. But neither did the French resistance against Nazi Germany, does that mean they didn’t resist at all? The Communists used guerilla tactics, to much success in some cases. Who did more to stifle the Japanese war effort is an impossible question to answer, but both sides of the Chinese Civil war contributed in the fight, each to their own strengths.

My understanding is that it was a propaganda spread by the right wing in order to discredit Kim Il Sung at that time.

It’s largely accepted as a conspiracy by the contemporary history communities IIUC. Diesel 16 days ago root parent next [—]. I must preface my question by stating I understand it is not logical to request someone to produce evidence to refute an article which in of itself makes claims with no evidence.

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Viewing the history of rjzzleep is fascinating. He loves china and russia but can’t say a nice thing about a western country. He constantly points to a collapsing west.

Im not convinced. The Chinese communist party celebrates itself for its resistance against the japanese all the time, when one reads the history though, it gets obvious that the brute of the fighting was done by the nationalists and the communists then only performed a cleanup operation, engaging in no major battles. These rewritten heroic-historys are largely worthless. Korea hardly had any nationalist armed resistance by the s. Kim Il Sung participated in two attacks on the Japanese in the Korean Peninsula confirmed by modern historians at Hyesan and Pochonbo, the latter of which may have been led by someone else and other attacks in collaboration with the Chinese communists see book above for details.

For those wondering why Korean nationalists would have become collaborators: they thought colonozation by an Asian race was less likely to erase Korean culture than colonization from a white race as the nationalists believed a Japanese defeat in the pacific war would lead to Western colonization of East Asia.

The Communists didn’t fight major battles against the Japanese, they didn’t have the resources for that after the Nationalist purges and civil war.

But neither did the French resistance against Nazi Germany, does that mean they didn’t resist at all? The Communists used guerilla tactics, to much success in some cases. Who did more to stifle the Japanese war effort is an impossible question to answer, but both sides of the Chinese Civil war contributed in the fight, each to their own strengths. My understanding is that it was a propaganda spread by the right wing in order to discredit Kim Il Sung at that time.

It’s largely accepted as a conspiracy by the contemporary history communities IIUC. Diesel 16 days ago root parent next [—]. I must preface my question by stating I understand it is not logical to request someone to produce evidence to refute an article which in of itself makes claims with no evidence.

You could simply state the original article has no evidence, so why believe them? But, I’m just curious. Do you happen to have any historical evidence or perspective which supports the theory that right wing people pushed this the false history – or that the right wing conspiracy is widely accepted by the contemporary historical communities? I’d like to read. I don’t have any first hand documents but wikipedia seems to explain a bit[1].

Namuwiki seems to discredit the claim that it was a right wing conspiracy theory based on my limited korean abilities. It’s a trope to constantly blame right wing groups in Korea for everything that the left doesn’t like. I’ve seen it during my stay here and just realized man, this left-right rivalry seems like a major trend all over the world.

VictorPath 17 days ago parent prev next [—]. Also as historical records show, and as some in the western braintrust noted at the time, the idea that Stalin was foisting revolution onto Korean communists, it was somewhat backwards – local Korean communists fighting the Japanese and then Americans, like the Chinese, were much more enthused about revolution in their countries than Stalin was.

It was Mao foisting it onto Korea. Stalin was a careful opportunist and thought Korea would be too risky and reckless, so he was hesitant but was eventually persuaded by Mao that it was a good idea. Even if we substitute “Stalin” for “Mao”, this statement has low epistemic legibility and low relevance.

That’s a given. It doesn’t detract from the fact that an ideology and system was forced onto a sizeable unwilling population with Mao’s direct backing. Incidentally, a large part of the membership of the Japanese Communist Party was Korean – up until the cadres. North Korean troops and earlier the so-called “Yanan Koreans” were also instrumental in securing the Chinese communist victory during the Civil War through their actions in Northeast China.

So in a sense they forced communism on China just as much as the Chinese forced communism onto Korea. Your statement refers to the Korean War. As archive records now show, both Stalin and Mao were reluctant and Kim Il Sung only managed to convince Stalin by pretending that Mao was on board for an invasion of the South and likewise lying to Mao about Stalin being on board.

In any case, North Korea was already socialist before the Korean War. And the South also had a very strong communist movement – the first governments that sprouted in Korea after were “people’s committees”.

Synaesthesia 16 days ago root parent next [—]. Most of the leaders selected for the South Korean govt where collaborators with the Japanese occupation. Because the “socialist” revolutions, were first and foremost national independence movements.

The red decoration was nothing more then the “fashion” at the time. This is why the vietnam war was so wrong, it was fought by a ex-colony for a colonial power, halucinating a enemy were there actually was just its own history repeating.

It’s not “fashion”, it’s the practicalities of getting military and diplomatic assistance as an underdog. Enemy of your enemy and all that. UberFly 16 days ago root parent prev next [—]. Calling the influence of the Soviet Union in vulnerable parts of the world “fashion” is mindbogglingly dumb. It wasn’t so bad for Germany, we still let ex-Nazis run the US half.

TeeMassive 17 days ago parent prev next [—]. If you say so. Using what evidence can you distinguish the content of the classified document from something someone just made up? TeeMassive 16 days ago root parent next [—]. Probably not an internet stranger telling using himself and hearsay as a source. The linked document has a number of red flags. The source was a South Korean periodical. The document was published during a political crisis in South Korea.

For anyone experienced with the art of deception, this puts it squarely in the “probably bullshit” bin. Misinformation like this gets published every single day in reputable outlets, and most people don’t question it, because it is written to confirm their prior beliefs “North Korea bad”. This means basically nothing. If it were fake, would a South Korean periodical publish it? Yes, almost certainly. But if it were real, would a South Korean periodical publish it? That sort of ‘evidence’ washes out.

All we’re left with is unverifiable claims. I think you’re supposed to take two of them in concert with each other – it originated in South Korea and was published during a particularly politically convenient time in South Korea. I don’t know personally how important or suspicious that is, but the fact that it’s clearly been marked and acknowledged as “unevaluated” is maybe a stronger reason to take it with a pinch of salt.

GekkePrutser 16 days ago root parent prev next [—]. While I agree the document would be questionable, I don’t think “North Korea bad” is so much a belief as it’s a fact.

It doesn’t get much badder than that. Probably the worst dictatorship for their people we have on this planet right now. I’m very lucky to have been born here and not there. I think the point is that “North Korea bad” is both regrettably true and an overly simplistic way to look at the current situation without really thinking about the history of the Korean peninsula, the causes of the split, the war and what roles our own governments had in causing the entire situation.

This doesn’t change the indisputable fact that the Kim regimes have been brutal and that the DPRK is truly a nightmarishly awful place to live, but it lets a lot of other people off the hook. The only alternative historical path would have completely erased South Korea, now a prosperous country that acts as a positive influence on the region and world. What’s communist about North Korea, apart from “something often said”? It’s more of a feudal monarchy.

We can split hairs about what is true communism, but between the cult of personality, the economic system, its art and media, and the more ephemeral peculiarities of its public culture, it looks an awful lot like stepping into a time machine that takes you back to Stalinist-era USSR.

There’s really no place on Earth quite like it. Calling an ideological opinion a “fact” drains that word of all meaning. This is called “browbeating”, and does not make your ideological opinion any more based in fact.

This is a report summary of a radio broadcast by a south korean Radio station in Extremely interesting to see how the CIA works, in they didn’t have to be as believable as now – it’s obviously a smear job in how it tries to paint him as a murderer and lowly thief only out to get money. It’s no wonder it has been discredited. For the easily offended – no, I don’t think he was a good guy.

The CIA wanted to smear Kim by using a restricted classified report that wasn’t released for 60 years? If I was doing a smear campaign in I would put it on the radio. It very well could have been on radio back then. He didn’t get that, I guess. Krasnol 16 days ago parent prev next [—]. Even without this document there can be this and worse said about him. So why bother?

What worse stuff could have been said at the time, though? His “followers” thought of him as a noble leader free of any moral ambiguity. The direct opposite is a cold-blooded murderer who murders out of greed.

If the CIA tried to discredit the image his followers had of him, I think this write-up would be a good way to do it. MrPatan 16 days ago parent prev next [—]. I wonder if the CIA fabrications of today only seem believable now and will seem unbelievable in 70 years.

I would think so, and it gets harder for them due to globalisation and countries working together economically well apart from Russia maybe – because back in , China, Korea and Japan were basically impenetrable black boxes for most people, where you’d take the CIA’s word for it because who knew what was possible or likely in those cultures? I wonder why people believe them now, to be honest.

I’d say it depends. Which “CIA fabrications of today” are you referring to? Many people likely have something that springs to mind, based on their own existing biases, but that differs between people. When naming a particular “fabrication” you’ll probably encounter much more resistance. The moon landing? Remember all the accusations of Julian Assange being a rapist? What do the ” Ueda: , , ” blocks mean?

AdamH 16 days ago parent next [—]. It looks like a way of referring to Korean or Han? The document seems to have been typed, so adding characters from another language would be difficult. Or Unicode style references to the Chinese characters that compose those names?

Since that Unicode didn’t exist back then, maybe a table of Hanja? TazeTSchnitzel 16 days ago parent next [—]. The webfont used by that page looks so horrible on my system that I thought the page was an image.

I’ve never used a site before that benefited so much from going to Inspect Element and disabling the font: property. EarthIsHome 16 days ago prev next [—]. For those interested in the Korean War, Blowback’s season 3 [0] covers the span from Japan’s imperial occupation of the Korean peninsula to the Korea War.

I love Blowback. Season one was great, season two a bit less great, since absolutely any bad thing was blamed on the US, as if Castro and the USSR didn’t do anything repressive or bad against the Cuban people.

Note that this is unevaluated information according to the document, and coming from a single person. It lists the source as “Ibuk T’ongsin,” which appears to have been some kind of periodical. Looks like it’s just an English translation of open-source intelligence.

Maybe the HN title should be changed. People in other comments are very excited: “I had no idea! Possible title: “Unevaluated information about Kim Il Sung’s identity from an old publication in some Korean monthly periodical. That was an incredibly interesting story. Where can I find more government declassified documents?

AndrewKemendo 17 days ago parent next [—]. Very interesting, thanks. Anyone know who the professor is that sourced this?

His father was China’s “first Minister of Labor” and the professor became an American. I’ve read is a constant source of conflict in many modern socialist groups is that ideological purity tests often damages their ability to maintain cohesion, recruit among the actual ‘working class’ since the party is usually middle class university kids, and infighting over petty details of organization has been satirized to death.

While the historical success stories of obviously authoritarian socialist parties always had rigid hierarchies, clear leaders, and ruthless pragmatism. Politics always dilutes ideology, you just can’t say that part out loud. What I find interesting about Xi is his father who was instrumental in introducing free market to China through the province he was in charge of Guandong or Guangzhou?

Deng Xiaoping quickly recognized its potential and essentially took credit for this model that allowed China to catapult itself onto the world stage. I can only imagine his ambitions growing up, he’s family suffered under the cultural revolution, he’s father was sidelined and others took credit for what essentially transformed China.

He was originally chosen as a candidate to replace Hu, after the March coup d’etat that led to the imprisonment of Bo Xilai and Zhou Yongkang. The internal struggles of the CCP and Xi’s family history is very interesting but what I find even more interesting is how much the American media attacks Xi because Jiang Zemin has lot of friends in this area. Yeah it was probably easy to see Xi as just another party leader but this back story shows how he sees himself as both coming from and representing the very best that China has to offer and a bunch of his friends are very comfortable with such a singular strong man elitist taking over.

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The fascination around North Korea and its leaders is understandable. I grew up in South Korea in the 80’s and we just lived with “it” constantly as people still do. I remember when I was in primary school, you will find these propaganda papers on the streets telling South Koreans of how corrupt their government was and urging them to defect to North.

Apparently, North Korea would send balloons filled with these propaganda messages. South would do the same to North. They were separated during the Korean War and the two governments allowed these families to be found and meet for a few days, before they were separated again. GekkePrutser 16 days ago parent next [—]. GekkePrutser 16 days ago root parent next [—].

I watched a presentation of these guys at SHA and someone asked the same thing. Video, entire books, etc. However leaflets are also done. But I guess they know what they’re doing. Fingerprinting files would be the least of my concerns. When you plug a USB stick, you potentially plug a keyboard and handover control of your computer to the stick. Most people in the western world wouldn’t think twice before plugging in a found USB stick into their own computer because they are curious, people simply don’t know the risk.

I’m sure even fewer people in North Korea know basic computer hygiene. Maybe in San Fransisco, US it’s basic workplace training, but outside of very technology focused cities, people definitely don’t know how easy it is to be compromised by a USB is.

In a isolated VM? No way. Even among the people who “know about VMs” how many of them could confidently plug in a physical device to a physical machine and be sure that it was somehow isolated to the VM?

I must have a dozen ways to run VMs here, but I couldn’t do that. What is the most common attack vector to fear? I thought maybe auto-run had been disabled by default, in most modern versions of Windows, for the past years at least.

If you plug a USB keyboard, windows will automatically set it up. All the stick needs to do is emulate a keyboard, then it can send keystroke to the OS as yourself, no need for auto-run. But then again, why would anyone connect their computer to the completely censored national LAN, only to be spied upon by the state? Because it will contain entertainment as well and it’s the way to communicate with friends.

Despite being censored, it’s all they have. In my lack of knowledge of North Korea, I don’t think most people even have computers, and it’s not like the government’s built infrastructure to just connect their computer to the LAN. It’s different if you’re part of the government elite living in the compounds for sure Narretz 16 days ago parent prev next [—]. These reunion shows were reported on in Germany, too. I haven’t heard anything about them for a few years, though.

I assume not many direct separated family members are still alive, or there’s currently no agreement about these meetings.

It’s fascinating that the population of both countries is now largely born after the split. Do you know the “Ibuk T’ongsin” listed as the source in the doc? Is that a name of the “monthly periodical” or the name of the author who wrote the article for that monthly periodical? Meh, the so-called “fake Kim Il Sung theory” isn’t a new info found in , it was a raging conspiracy theory all the way back from s. From what I’ve heard, the theory is largely discredited now.

Of course that doesn’t mean North Korea’s breathless account of Kim’s heroic adventures is anywhere near believable, but that’s a separate issue. This document was declassified in ; it was published in I’ve seen similar documents about Tito. In the end it doesn’t change anything, you deal with the de-facto ruler of a country, not with his ancestors. Are there any reliable modern historians that have written about this? Especially the bit that says he was a serial killer in his early years.

Because it was written by Kim himself, it’s a lot less hagiographic than what you might expect he didn’t have to worry about censorship. Plenty of embellishments sure, but also shows a very human picture of the man. To give a bit more historical background on the conspiracy theory: Kim’s anti-Japanese actions in the ss had received some coverage in the Korean press – despite Japanese censorship.

He went into hiding in the USSR in the early 40s and was sent back to Pyongyang by the Soviets a couple months after the August liberation of the peninsula. Dissatisfied with their first choice for a North Korean leader a man named Cho Man-Sik , the Soviets intended to replace him with Kim a convinced Stalinist after some PR efforts to bolster his public image.

At Kim Il Sung’s first public appearance at a rally in Pyongyang in late , people were shocked by his young age there are several testimonies from people present at the event attesting to this. This was exploited by the anti-communist South to discredit him, claiming that someone that young could never have done the resistance deeds that people had heard about during the colonial period. As Suh’s book shows, however, there is a good amount of evidence to support the fact that he was indeed a leader in the resistance against Japanese colonization albeit not the only one with several feat of arms albeit not nearly as many as later claimed.

The post you’re commenting on is a PDF file hosted on cia. Or are you assuming that all readers of HN 1 are American citizens, and 2 that American citizens shouldn’t care about possible threats from the CIA? Yeah, hosting malware is NSA’s job. Maybe just a few specific MAC adresses? Are you creating a false equivalency between North Korea and American? If so, Noam Chomksy in the house! JadeNB 16 days ago root parent next [—]. I think analogies can be taken too far, but “both North Korea and the US are probably interested in compromising the computers of their adversaries, and may intentionally or unintentionally infect others in the process” doesn’t seem too far-fetched to me.

It’s not the same as saying “North Korea and the US are functionally and ideologically the same. Respectfully, what do you imagine the attack vector would be? A zero day bug in the pdf parser or javascript engine of your browser. Such bugs are common enough that the North Korean military is believed to use them to gather intelligence and for theft, but also are rare enough that they’re going to use them on just anyone.

Did you miss a “not” in the last part of that? I thought North Koreans don’t know how to use computers? Remember the Kim Jong Un memes around that? I’m frankly getting tired of all the hysteria.

If that is indeed the attack vector just use a sandbox and a pdf viewer with low featureset. Is all we do nowadays mindless hysteria? EDIT: comical. Seems like in the hysteria about how terrible “our enemies” are, all sarcasm and absurdity is lost. MichaelCollins 16 days ago root parent prev next [—]. Saying the inverse of what you actually believe but with a tone that suggests insincerity isn’t comedic. It’s just obnoxious. I can see why calling out the hypocrisies of the hysteria of people like you would seem obnoxious to you.

The thread didn’t start with murucula, it started with people saying they should not open NK PDF’s because they’re dangerous. The mindless hysteria could only have been trumped by people accusing one of China and Russia stoogedom in the comments below. I was merely referring to the memes that were so popular in HN circles just a few years ago about how Kim Jong Un was too stupid to use a computer[1].

I have no skin in the game, but if the HN crowd is not able to read a PDF with basic Opsec to protect itself from malicious Acrobat exploits, we don’t really deserve to be called hackers. MichaelCollins 16 days ago root parent next [—]. Pay attention to usernames, rjzzleep. Anyway, muricula didn’t say North Koreans don’t know how to use computers, so there was no hypocrisy in his suggestion that North Koreans might have competent computer hackers.

You’re raging at numerous strawmen at once. So many strawmans, so little time. Viewing the history of rjzzleep is fascinating. He loves china and russia but can’t say a nice thing about a western country. He constantly points to a collapsing west. Im not convinced. The Chinese communist party celebrates itself for its resistance against the japanese all the time, when one reads the history though, it gets obvious that the brute of the fighting was done by the nationalists and the communists then only performed a cleanup operation, engaging in no major battles.

These rewritten heroic-historys are largely worthless. Korea hardly had any nationalist armed resistance by the s. Kim Il Sung participated in two attacks on the Japanese in the Korean Peninsula confirmed by modern historians at Hyesan and Pochonbo, the latter of which may have been led by someone else and other attacks in collaboration with the Chinese communists see book above for details.

For those wondering why Korean nationalists would have become collaborators: they thought colonozation by an Asian race was less likely to erase Korean culture than colonization from a white race as the nationalists believed a Japanese defeat in the pacific war would lead to Western colonization of East Asia. The Communists didn’t fight major battles against the Japanese, they didn’t have the resources for that after the Nationalist purges and civil war.

But neither did the French resistance against Nazi Germany, does that mean they didn’t resist at all? The Communists used guerilla tactics, to much success in some cases.

Who did more to stifle the Japanese war effort is an impossible question to answer, but both sides of the Chinese Civil war contributed in the fight, each to their own strengths.